Sexism

15 03 2010

Here’s something stupid. It’s called Do you write ‘Mr and Mrs’? Scientists claim it is a sexist throwback to the 16th century. Real scientists should be offended.

They said letters that begin ‘Dear Sir/Madam’ and references to ‘Mr and Mrs’ are both remnants of an old -fashioned world view that placed men before women.

Starting from there they did some research and found that people are more likely to name the male first when they mention male/female couples and apparently more likely to name the more masculine of the two when they speak  of same sex couples. Does any of this actually matter? Of course not.

Dr Hegarty said: ‘The results of our studies suggest that people tend to put men, or male qualities, before women. As this is a remnant of the sexist grammar of the 16th century, it would seem that psychologically we are still sexist in writing.’

I don’t see how saying one person’s name first implies at all that they are superior or more important.

Several years ago, I remember reading about how it became considered sexist, in Sweden I think, for men to pee standing up. From Yahoo Answers:

Urinals seem like a man’s way of saying “Haha! I can pee standing up, but you can’t!” Meanwhile, women are forced to sit on toilet seats that are often dirty. It’s completely disrespectful to women.

It’s also a way of requiring women to submit. Women must literally and figuratively lower themselves to urinate, while men are allowed to stand up and be above it all.

I think everyone agrees that we should strive for complete equality between men and women. If women are required to sit on toilet seats, shouldn’t men too? Should urinals be removed from public places?

This look like a joke, but the person may well be serious.

From 2007:

Young women in Sweden, Germany and Australia have a new cause: They want men to sit down while urinating. This demand comes partly from concerns about hygiene — avoiding the splash factor — but, as Jasper Gerard reports in the English magazine The Spectator, “more crucially because a man standing up to urinate is deemed to be triumphing in his masculinity, and by extension, degrading women.” One argument is that if women can’t do it, then men shouldn’t either. Another is that standing upright while relieving oneself is “a nasty macho gesture,” suggestive of male violence. A feminist group at Stockholm University is campaigning to ban all urinals from campus, and one Swedish elementary school has already removed them. In Australia, an Internet survey shows that 17 percent of those polled think men ought to sit, while 70 percent believe they should be allowed to stand. Some Swedish women are pressuring their men to take a stand, so to speak. Yola, a 25-year-old Swedish trainee psychiatrist, says she dumps boyfriends who insist on standing. “What else can I do?,” said her new boyfriend, Ingvar, who sits.

What else can you do, Yola? How about instead of wasting your time being pointless, you find something useful to do. Make me a fucking sandwich or something.

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8 responses

15 03 2010
Alkibiades

You know it’s still standard practice on formal invitations to address them to Mr. and Mrs. man’s name. Or for widows, to address the invitation to Mrs. man’s name. There’s also Dr. and Mrs. man’s name, but I’ve never seen the reverse. How’s that for faux sexism?

15 03 2010
Snark

Yes, masculine qualities are valued above feminine ones.

Some ‘sexism’ is justified.

Put it this way: in the event of total societal breakdown, who do you want to find yourself with? I’m talking, survival is your priority, and the only thing that matters any more. Who would you rather stumble upon? Men or women?

Men put in place every brick you see, and invented and maintain every single thing that makes life at present so comfortable. In the event of breakdown, men can be trusted to keep you alive.

I could not put my trust in women in the same situation.

The urinals thing is just fascism.

15 03 2010
D. Lynn Thompson

Men will just stand up to pee in the toilet. There are some men/boys who HAVE to stand up because of medical issues. Would that not single out those?

“and apparently more likely to name the more masculine of the two when they speak of same sex couples” I would be concerned that people assume masculinity or femininity based on name than on actual personality attributes.

Snark, my neighbor is a heavy equipment operator. She does a great job, too. Also, I will trust the advances of women in cancer treatment, police protection, modern genetics, and National security.

And Caveman…”Shut bitch! Go fix me a turkey pot pie.”

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21 03 2010
jaketurner

“standing upright while relieving oneself is “a nasty macho gesture,” suggestive of male violence”

What does that even mean?

Why is it that feminists seem to see all forms of masculinity as “problematic”?

27 04 2010
Mopenhauer

Is Roissy in Dc the smartest man in 2010 USA? Certainly the philosophy of Roissyism defines what all Americans believe and any polluters in America’s idealogical stew are just atavistic leftovers from a past age. Roissyism was a synthesis of the thesis of 50s masculinity and 60s feminism that took place in the late 70s.

Intelligence is about complexity. What is the most complex organism on the planet? Man. And even more complex is the superorganism of society. Thus social skill PUA is the only measure of intelligence.

A Halfsigmaist said it best:
“I believe higher-order intelligence is the ability to solve complex (non-linear) problems. You seem to agree with this as the ability to remember tables and crunch numbers isn’t really intelligence or is, at least, a form of linear intelligence. Hence, as you pointed out, those who are really good at linear problems and not much else are labelled ‘autustic savants’. I would compare complex intelligence to linear intelligence as comparing someone who can build businesses and cater to market forces to make assloads of money and have a harem of sexy, young women in his limousine to someone who memorise business structures, business regulations, accounting rules, how to keep books, legal issues of government regulations for businesses, etc., and is complete nerdy and repellent to women.”

22 11 2011
gwallan

The so-called ladies can keep their filthy perverted minds and prying eyes out of my toilet thankyou very much.

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